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Finnair adds Seattle

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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:46 pm

Good news. I just hope we leave the pandemic behind us in 22 and markets open again.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:56 pm

When are they resuming SFO which is more important? They only fly to JFK, ORD and MIA right now. SFO has higher J traffic due to Silicon Valley and the Nordic Silicon Valley (e.g. Nokia HQ and telecoms).
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:03 pm

Great to see AY add destinations to its network. SEA was one of its destinations in the 1980s, when AY flew routes such as HEL-CPH-SEA-LAX.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:10 pm

x1234 wrote:
When are they resuming SFO which is more important? They only fly to JFK, ORD and MIA right now. SFO has higher J traffic due to Silicon Valley and the Nordic Silicon Valley (e.g. Nokia HQ and telecoms).

Tech J traffic is dead, as most companies have adapted to collaborate via zoom-no need to travel anymore. This is the main reason why SFO/Silicon Valley has experienced such a massive drop off in passenger traffic. And SEA is a larger Oneworld hub perfectly located for connections.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:26 pm

ANA787 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
When are they resuming SFO which is more important? They only fly to JFK, ORD and MIA right now. SFO has higher J traffic due to Silicon Valley and the Nordic Silicon Valley (e.g. Nokia HQ and telecoms).

Tech J traffic is dead, as most companies have adapted to collaborate via zoom-no need to travel anymore. This is the main reason why SFO/Silicon Valley has experienced such a massive drop off in passenger traffic. And SEA is a larger Oneworld hub perfectly located for connections.


SEA connections from or to where, exactly? You think Finnair is going to get rich on traffic HEL-Billings or Pasco? Anything that matters (by passenger volume or revenue) in the U.S. West already has 1-stop service to HEL.
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:27 pm

Especially with the AA/AS cooperation SEA is probably a pretty good add. SFO will hopefully resume sometimes in S22 or S33.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:33 pm

x1234 wrote:
When are they resuming SFO which is more important? They only fly to JFK, ORD and MIA right now. SFO has higher J traffic due to Silicon Valley and the Nordic Silicon Valley (e.g. Nokia HQ and telecoms).

What about LAX then? They also fly to LAX now on the West Coast.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:38 pm

x1234 wrote:
When are they resuming SFO which is more important? They only fly to JFK, ORD and MIA right now. SFO has higher J traffic due to Silicon Valley and the Nordic Silicon Valley (e.g. Nokia HQ and telecoms).


Why is SFO that important? AY has very little feed on the SFO end. At SEA, it gains from the AS network. If they had a significant corporate demand connecting HEL with SFO, they would have done that already.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:43 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
When are they resuming SFO which is more important? They only fly to JFK, ORD and MIA right now. SFO has higher J traffic due to Silicon Valley and the Nordic Silicon Valley (e.g. Nokia HQ and telecoms).

Tech J traffic is dead, as most companies have adapted to collaborate via zoom-no need to travel anymore. This is the main reason why SFO/Silicon Valley has experienced such a massive drop off in passenger traffic. And SEA is a larger Oneworld hub perfectly located for connections.


SEA connections from or to where, exactly? You think Finnair is going to get rich on traffic HEL-Billings or Pasco? Anything that matters (by passenger volume or revenue) in the U.S. West already has 1-stop service to HEL.

There are many other cities in the West Coast other than LAX and SFO, where people live, want to fly from/to, and which will be better served via SEA, with shorter connection+overall times. If DL thinks there are enough ppl for them to connect with 2x SEA-LHR + 2x SEA-CDG and 2x SEA-AMS, there is more than enough passengers for 3x weekly SEA-HEL. I assume you have the same thoughts on QR connecting passengers from Billings and Pasco, which seems to have been a great success. Some folks here thought it was preposterous to think that Finnair would even consider SEA.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:56 pm

Between this, DFW, and the ARN adds, AY has added a lot of capacity to the US, even as compared to their 2019 schedule. I personally love AY and hope this works out for them, but it's not the best-located place for Americans generally want to travel... so here's to hoping lots of Europeans want to visit America in '22.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:58 pm

x1234 wrote:
When are they resuming SFO which is more important? They only fly to JFK, ORD and MIA right now. SFO has higher J traffic due to Silicon Valley and the Nordic Silicon Valley (e.g. Nokia HQ and telecoms).


Nokia US headquarters is in NJ but there is a smaller office in Sunnyvale. Silicon Valley isn't home to any major telecom companies. I travel to Palo very frequently and have never heard of a Nordic SV. What is it?
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:06 pm

Cool to see a Scandinavian connection to the SEA area again.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:38 pm

phatfarmlines wrote:
Cool to see a Scandinavian connection to the SEA area again.

Nitpicking: Finland isn't part of Scandinavia. It's part of the Nordic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:47 pm

bar1 wrote:
phatfarmlines wrote:
Cool to see a Scandinavian connection to the SEA area again.

Nitpicking: Finland isn't part of Scandinavia. It's part of the Nordic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia


Oh for the love of....

Your own link specifies that Finland is "sometimes" included in the composition of Scandinavia. You know exactly what that poster meant.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 4:58 pm

floridaflyboy wrote:
bar1 wrote:
phatfarmlines wrote:
Cool to see a Scandinavian connection to the SEA area again.

Nitpicking: Finland isn't part of Scandinavia. It's part of the Nordic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia


Oh for the love of....

Your own link specifies that Finland is "sometimes" included in the composition of Scandinavia. You know exactly what that poster meant.


Yes, that's why I included the word Nitpicking.
In the countries involved, Finland isn't "sometimes" included. It's about language, culture, history, etc..., completely different in Finland compared to Denmark, Norway, Sweden. I'm a "Norseman" myself, I have first hand knowledge :)
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:13 pm

After the short excursion wherther Finland belongs to Scandinavia or not, I kindly ask you to stay on topic and if you want to further discuss this subject, please open a separate thread in Non-Aviation Forum, thanks.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:15 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
When are they resuming SFO which is more important? They only fly to JFK, ORD and MIA right now. SFO has higher J traffic due to Silicon Valley and the Nordic Silicon Valley (e.g. Nokia HQ and telecoms).

Tech J traffic is dead, as most companies have adapted to collaborate via zoom-no need to travel anymore. This is the main reason why SFO/Silicon Valley has experienced such a massive drop off in passenger traffic. And SEA is a larger Oneworld hub perfectly located for connections.


SEA connections from or to where, exactly? You think Finnair is going to get rich on traffic HEL-Billings or Pasco? Anything that matters (by passenger volume or revenue) in the U.S. West already has 1-stop service to HEL.

Well, besides Billings and Paso SEA is well placed for connections to SFO, PDX, ANC, YVR...
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:20 pm

I could see this flight catering to the cruise industry(if it returns next summer) and a tie in to AS's OW hub.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:22 pm

More important than the US connections is that Finnair offers potentially attractive connections to Europe for travelers from SEA. Connecting through FRA, AMS or LHR is a pain. If the connections work well, I would happily consider this over the competition for my next European travels. Does anyone know what the equipment will be on this route and what the flight duration is?
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:28 pm

Nice having an alternative to connections in FRA, AMS or LHR when travelling to SEA from Scandinavia. Great airline too.
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Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:30 pm

DUSdude wrote:
More important than the US connections is that Finnair offers potentially attractive connections to Europe for travelers from SEA. Connecting through FRA, AMS or LHR is a pain. If the connections work well, I would happily consider this over the competition for my next European travels. Does anyone know what the equipment will be on this route and what the flight duration is?


Looks like A330 for equipment.
 
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Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:41 pm

DUSdude wrote:
...Does anyone know what the equipment will be on this route and what the flight duration is?

Airbus 330-300, flight duration HEL-SEA 9:45, SEA-HEL 9:30.
 
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Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:50 pm

They dont need feed at SFO to work. In theory, those flights can be filled up with Europeans who want to visit the Bay area for either vacation (especially in the summer) or work. The market to the Bay Area is normally that large. Finnair in theory can then top off their flights with people from the Bay Area going to Europe on vacation, either in Finnland, or using the Helsinki hub to transit elsewhere. the Bay Area is a huge area that generates a ton of traffic, which is why a large number of non-Star-aligned carriers fly there. IT's a big market and can support these adds, especially during the peak summer (or at least it has been able to in the past).

quote="ContinentalEWR"]
x1234 wrote:
When are they resuming SFO which is more important? They only fly to JFK, ORD and MIA right now. SFO has higher J traffic due to Silicon Valley and the Nordic Silicon Valley (e.g. Nokia HQ and telecoms).


Why is SFO that important? AY has very little feed on the SFO end. At SEA, it gains from the AS network. If they had a significant corporate demand connecting HEL with SFO, they would have done that already.[/quote]
 
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Tue Dec 07, 2021 5:51 pm

bar1 wrote:
DUSdude wrote:
...Does anyone know what the equipment will be on this route and what the flight duration is?

Airbus 330-300, flight duration HEL-SEA 9:45, SEA-HEL 9:30.

It'll be seasonal too, running through 10/28 which is unsurprising given that SFO was seasonal too when it operated.
 
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Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:14 pm

This is a surprising add. Finnair isn't one of /those/ European airlines that has destinations to every big major city in the US and then some. More like Alitalia (rip) that served just a select few. There's a good O&D market then.

ANA787 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
When are they resuming SFO which is more important? They only fly to JFK, ORD and MIA right now. SFO has higher J traffic due to Silicon Valley and the Nordic Silicon Valley (e.g. Nokia HQ and telecoms).

Tech J traffic is dead, as most companies have adapted to collaborate via zoom-no need to travel anymore. This is the main reason why SFO/Silicon Valley has experienced such a massive drop off in passenger traffic. And SEA is a larger Oneworld hub perfectly located for connections.


That's lame.

Stop being couch potatoes and get your bosses to get you to travel!
 
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Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:11 pm

Asia demand is depressed and will be for 2-3 years so need to build-up the North American network. It also means that a lot of European vacationers that would've gone to China or Japan or Hong Kong are going to Miami or LA or Seattle instead.

Would not be surprised if the Stockholm-Miami/LA/NY flights and Helsinki-Miami service continue into the summer this year.
 
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Tue Dec 07, 2021 8:40 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Asia demand is depressed and will be for 2-3 years so need to build-up the North American network. It also means that a lot of European vacationers that would've gone to China or Japan or Hong Kong are going to Miami or LA or Seattle instead.

Would not be surprised if the Stockholm-Miami/LA/NY flights and Helsinki-Miami service continue into the summer this year.

I've actually read that the Stockholm routes aren't performing very well occupation-wise...
 
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Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:06 pm

aviator2000 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Asia demand is depressed and will be for 2-3 years so need to build-up the North American network. It also means that a lot of European vacationers that would've gone to China or Japan or Hong Kong are going to Miami or LA or Seattle instead.

Would not be surprised if the Stockholm-Miami/LA/NY flights and Helsinki-Miami service continue into the summer this year.

I've actually read that the Stockholm routes aren't performing very well occupation-wise...


Realistic opportunity for the Stockholm flights to do well passenger occupation-wise has only existed for about a month now, with the subtle reopening of borders.

Regardless of whether they're doing well or not though, in the same press release AY communicated today that they will operate ARN-JFK and ARN-LAX also in the summer schedules.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:18 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Asia demand is depressed and will be for 2-3 years so need to build-up the North American network. It also means that a lot of European vacationers that would've gone to China or Japan or Hong Kong are going to Miami or LA or Seattle instead.

Would not be surprised if the Stockholm-Miami/LA/NY flights and Helsinki-Miami service continue into the summer this year.


Yeah, Japan and China have been their top markets. Hopefully the new services from Helsinki and Stockholm to the US help them through the tough times. Finnair have emphasized the importance of cargo during the Covid crisis, probably some significance on the SEA route too.

Goes OT but about the terms discussed above: In the happy family of the Nordic countries of DEN FIN ICE NOR SWE the 3 monarchies DEN NOR SWE are called Scandinavia. Finland was a part of the Swedish kingdom for 600+ years, a lot of was inherited from Sweden, the 2nd official language among other things.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:22 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Asia demand is depressed and will be for 2-3 years so need to build-up the North American network. It also means that a lot of European vacationers that would've gone to China or Japan or Hong Kong are going to Miami or LA or Seattle instead.

Would not be surprised if the Stockholm-Miami/LA/NY flights and Helsinki-Miami service continue into the summer this year.


I agree. This is more about the downturn in Asia (which was AY’s bread and butter) than it is about SEA. I’m not holding onto my seat that there’s a cash cow in catering to the ultra important Spokane-to-Rovaniemi demographic, but at least leisure TATL is strong, whereas the Asia business travel will probably stay depressed for some time.
 
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Tue Dec 07, 2021 9:38 pm

bar1 wrote:
Nice having an alternative to connections in FRA, AMS or LHR when travelling to SEA from Scandinavia. Great airline too.


Keeping in mind, each of those listed cities have their own n/s to SEA, but I am sure O/W with AS is a possible reason & AY flew to SEA before & fdid well, SK pioneered West Coast - Europe on their Douglas Props. There is a Scandinavian connection to SEA as well, albeit nothing like MN.

Also, after 25+ years in the travel industry, Finland is often included in the same tour brochures as the 3 countries than for Scandinavia. Understand that IATA has it's own idea of how the world is divided for ticketing purposes or CirPac & RTW fares, as well as mileage based faring using multiple carriers.
 
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Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:21 pm

It's important to remember that AY had a LOT of APAC capacity pre-pandemic which is obviously materially impacted for the foreseeable future. Hence, why these frames can go to DFW and SEA.
 
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Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:31 pm

Wow!! How cool is that?!! Really looking forward to seeing them in SEA.
 
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floridaflyboy wrote:
DUSdude wrote:
More important than the US connections is that Finnair offers potentially attractive connections to Europe for travelers from SEA. Connecting through FRA, AMS or LHR is a pain. If the connections work well, I would happily consider this over the competition for my next European travels. Does anyone know what the equipment will be on this route and what the flight duration is?


Looks like A330 for equipment.


What about SEA TO Asia still though HEL?
 
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b777900 wrote:
floridaflyboy wrote:
DUSdude wrote:
More important than the US connections is that Finnair offers potentially attractive connections to Europe for travelers from SEA. Connecting through FRA, AMS or LHR is a pain. If the connections work well, I would happily consider this over the competition for my next European travels. Does anyone know what the equipment will be on this route and what the flight duration is?


Looks like A330 for equipment.


What about SEA TO Asia still though HEL?


Not with KE & the ICN mega-hub with onward connections. There may be a remote city in Russia or two, that may be closer via HEL, I bet most would an Asian trip would be shorter via DL/KE. If UA/NH or AA/JL can find them an option via HND or NRT.

But I think if AY offers a slight discount for the extra time, passengers will find a good service,, on mostly A-350 aircraft & HEL is a smaller airport vs AMS, FRA, LHR for Transit. I am thinking from a SEA perspective, given this is a thread about AY & SEA.

From an East Coast perspective I can now see what you're saying. the problem is JFK has n/s flights to all the big Asian cities all the way to SIN. SYD is coming in 2-3 years. The reality is, any market & any market can go non-stop, if the demand pays the bills.

EK already does this, with QR & EY, but now AI has eliminated any stops to a major destination & USA flights are operated non-stop from Mumbai, Delhi & Bangalore, more cities opening. IMHO.
 
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Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:08 am

Too bad that it is on an A330. Some of AY's A330's are quite tired on the inside. According to OAG, Finnair used to serve Seattle up until 1989.
 
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Too bad that it is on an A330. Some of AY's A330's are quite tired on the inside. According to OAG, Finnair used to serve Seattle up until 1989.


With DC-10-30's.
 
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Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:51 am

DUSdude wrote:
Connecting through FRA, AMS or LHR is a pain.

FRA or LHR I can understand, but what's wrong with connecting at AMS? Besides maybe the relative long taxi times to and from the Polderbaan? All the gates are under one roof.
 
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MIflyer12 wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
When are they resuming SFO which is more important? They only fly to JFK, ORD and MIA right now. SFO has higher J traffic due to Silicon Valley and the Nordic Silicon Valley (e.g. Nokia HQ and telecoms).

Tech J traffic is dead, as most companies have adapted to collaborate via zoom-no need to travel anymore. This is the main reason why SFO/Silicon Valley has experienced such a massive drop off in passenger traffic. And SEA is a larger Oneworld hub perfectly located for connections.


SEA connections from or to where, exactly? You think Finnair is going to get rich on traffic HEL-Billings or Pasco? Anything that matters (by passenger volume or revenue) in the U.S. West already has 1-stop service to HEL.


connections via SEA to pretty much any city in the west shave off hundreds of miles from the trip which equals time, in some cases by hours vs connecting at JFK, ORD or DFW. That makes SEA a whole lot more convenient for most cities along the west coast. HEL may have one stop service to many major cities, this just makes the trip more convenient.
 
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MIflyer12 wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
When are they resuming SFO which is more important? They only fly to JFK, ORD and MIA right now. SFO has higher J traffic due to Silicon Valley and the Nordic Silicon Valley (e.g. Nokia HQ and telecoms).

Tech J traffic is dead, as most companies have adapted to collaborate via zoom-no need to travel anymore. This is the main reason why SFO/Silicon Valley has experienced such a massive drop off in passenger traffic. And SEA is a larger Oneworld hub perfectly located for connections.


SEA connections from or to where, exactly? You think Finnair is going to get rich on traffic HEL-Billings or Pasco? Anything that matters (by passenger volume or revenue) in the U.S. West already has 1-stop service to HEL.



I thought the same thing!

Another unknown is the Europe vacation market next summer. Europe keeps slipping into lockdown mode. With the uncertainty, you can still make big markets work…Seattle to Finland? I dont know
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:55 am

Let's be honest, the only reason this and the ARN expansion even exist is the fact that the only thing paying for a ticket to/from east Asia right now is a cardboard box, and sadly they normally aren't repeat travellers and are perfectly fine without a lie-flat seat for comfort.
i hope these expansions allows Finnair to come through the crisis a bit better off.
 
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Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:24 pm

As much as some would like to underplay this; if lack of Asia demand was the only reason, they could have just resumed SFO. Instead they decided to launch SEA. So it’s not like that says nothing. AS and its network feed and the strategic importance of SEA in their JV certainly were deciding factors.
 
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Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:35 pm

RWA380 wrote:
b777900 wrote:
floridaflyboy wrote:

Looks like A330 for equipment.


What about SEA TO Asia still though HEL?


Not with KE & the ICN mega-hub with onward connections. There may be a remote city in Russia or two, that may be closer via HEL, I bet most would an Asian trip would be shorter via DL/KE. If UA/NH or AA/JL can find them an option via HND or NRT.

But I think if AY offers a slight discount for the extra time, passengers will find a good service,, on mostly A-350 aircraft & HEL is a smaller airport vs AMS, FRA, LHR for Transit. I am thinking from a SEA perspective, given this is a thread about AY & SEA.

From an East Coast perspective I can now see what you're saying. the problem is JFK has n/s flights to all the big Asian cities all the way to SIN. SYD is coming in 2-3 years. The reality is, any market & any market can go non-stop, if the demand pays the bills.

EK already does this, with QR & EY, but now AI has eliminated any stops to a major destination & USA flights are operated non-stop from Mumbai, Delhi & Bangalore, more cities opening. IMHO.


SEA-HEL-DEL is an excellent possible itinerary on AY, but I have no idea what the layover looks like in the schedule. Apart from that, a one stop to Dubai or parts of Turkey are the only other decent west Asia options, but the geography does make HEL a good place to connect for some more niche eastern European travel destinations.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:07 pm

I wonder will they ever add IAD.. A lot of One World FFs in the DC region.
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:15 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
When are they resuming SFO which is more important? They only fly to JFK, ORD and MIA right now. SFO has higher J traffic due to Silicon Valley and the Nordic Silicon Valley (e.g. Nokia HQ and telecoms).

Tech J traffic is dead, as most companies have adapted to collaborate via zoom-no need to travel anymore. This is the main reason why SFO/Silicon Valley has experienced such a massive drop off in passenger traffic. And SEA is a larger Oneworld hub perfectly located for connections.


SEA connections from or to where, exactly? You think Finnair is going to get rich on traffic HEL-Billings or Pasco? Anything that matters (by passenger volume or revenue) in the U.S. West already has 1-stop service to HEL.


= What is your point?

I actually like what AY is doing and experimenting with new things. If it does not work, they can always cancel it. To be honest, I have been impressed with AY's experimentations - the whole SK leadership should be fired though! I mean, what kind of commercial team allows a rival airline to set up a long haul hub? SK is asleep at the wheel. If I were them, I would see this and diversify as well. Caribbean, México, etc. comes to mind.

Saludos,
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:52 pm

asuflyer wrote:
Too bad that it is on an A330. Some of AY's A330's are quite tired on the inside. According to OAG, Finnair used to serve Seattle up until 1989.


True, the current A330 cabins are tired. The good news is they just tweeted "we'll renew the long haul cabins". Launching Jan 2022, mostly likely meaning the A330. The A350 cabins are in a good shape still.

https://twitter.com/Finnair/status/1468 ... 34464?s=20
 
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Re: Finnair adds Seattle

Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:09 pm

abrelosojos wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
ANA787 wrote:
Tech J traffic is dead, as most companies have adapted to collaborate via zoom-no need to travel anymore. This is the main reason why SFO/Silicon Valley has experienced such a massive drop off in passenger traffic. And SEA is a larger Oneworld hub perfectly located for connections.


SEA connections from or to where, exactly? You think Finnair is going to get rich on traffic HEL-Billings or Pasco? Anything that matters (by passenger volume or revenue) in the U.S. West already has 1-stop service to HEL.


= What is your point?

I actually like what AY is doing and experimenting with new things. If it does not work, they can always cancel it. To be honest, I have been impressed with AY's experimentations - the whole SK leadership should be fired though! I mean, what kind of commercial team allows a rival airline to set up a long haul hub? SK is asleep at the wheel. If I were them, I would see this and diversify as well. Caribbean, México, etc. comes to mind.

Saludos,
Alex



Recently SKs new CEO (Dutch who was the previous CEO at Avianca) said they want to return to South America so that must be in the works.

I wonder what the demand would be as SK was one of the first original airlines to serve LATAM from Europe. Would be interesting to know what routing they had and till when they operated (believe late 70s if I’m correct).

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